Whats the deal?

Does anyone on the forums talk nutz and bolts about training anymore- I mean when Im out and about I see questions on DC and things but it is less and less anyones first hand experiences on some sort of training experience and some results they got or didnt get from there last regimen.
It seems the forums are just plagues with "check my cycle" posts more and more and nothing about systems to encourage the "growth" stimulus anymore.
Now its all about chemically bombarding the body and tricking it into some new kinda arm chair growth.
Maybe Im just old and grumpy and tired of seeing those "cycle" posts from idiots with less than a year of training under their belts...but its disturbing to me that there seems to be no original though anymore, no experimentation, just the same tired ass mantras of training that have been around for years.
I myself have been guilty at times of having little to say but from time to time I like to point things out that dont seem to be discussed.
Its no wonder the physiques on the boards seem to be less and less- overtraining, overdosing, and under eating seem to be the followed path of failure.
Yet the questions always center around gear, and if the gear isnt working then peptides and insulin are next in the cabinet.
I will share one of my latest personal discoveries with training.
I have been dieting for about 13 weeks now. I have had a multitude of injuries this off season which carried into my diet.
I had taken full weeks off at a time more than any time in my training history and yet the inflammation of my left elbow and shoulders seemed only to worsen. Now compounded by diet and cardio it seemed to me that my body was falling apart and I looked introspectively into the face of old father time thinking that my days may have passed and hard, intense, heavy workouts would be a thing of the past.
Quite by accident, I found that I was wrong.
Something I have written about many times was occurring but I didnt realize that it had manifested itself to such a degree. What I thought was being rested enough, wasnt even close. So, after a full week off , I ended up with a fucked up work schedule and my off time was just as hectic. So I ended up only training three whole times in a seven day period...I felt like I was shrinking, felt like it was me being a pussy. The next week I only was able to go to the gym 4 times. Now during this time I was dieting hard and doing cardio anywhere from 6-10 times a week. But it dawned on me that my elbow was healing and I was feeling better when I trained.
So, I decided that I would only train when I "felt" like I had fully recuperated from the previous lift- sometimes this was the next day, sometimes one or 2 days before I went back- but completely by feel.
With some of my lifts I noticed small changes but starting three weeks ago I was up to 315 on incline bench and 585 on deadlift (average for me) . By the end of the three week period I went up to 335 and then to 365 on incline bench, while dieting...and deads went from 585 to 615 to 635 thats a 50 lb increase on both lifts with a calorically restricted diet.
What I can say about this is that mentally I almost feel as if I am undertraining. But the thing I realized that seems to never be spoken of is that while dieting, the body recovers slower and growth occurs at a slower rate if at all sometimes...so why do we continue to train with the same frequency? No one seems to talk about it- the training intensity and volume I am using is more per workout but the frequency at which I impose the stress is less frequent allowing for growth to actually take place, even in a calorically limited environment.
Makes me think that I was doing the same last year in an over eagerness to improve certain lagging bodyparts and come in to this years shows at 265-270.
Guess it only shows that even a seasoned vet in the game can still learn something...always learn something.
I would bet that many people on the forums suffer from this malady, I would suggest that everyone take a close look at your training schedule and honestly assess are you recovering or are you wearing yourself thin?

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I am as guilty as anyone AJ... I haven't posted up a good amount of valuable info and most everything leads to steroid talk rather than the more powerful anabolic - food and equally as needed is rest!!! And I haven't got into the specifics of my training...

There are a lot of little tips and tricks that my best friend and former training partner bucktooth (on IWF) and I used to do to get stronger and past our plateaus...

You have some very valuable points about getting rest and not over training your body which will lead to actually breaking down the human body or shrinking of muscles... REST along with PROPER NUTRITION are the keys to any form of body building and to all athletes...

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I hear you AJ-

Got my diet in a good place, a hard part of training is eating, LOL, it is work.

Fitting sleep into a discipline of growth is my problem; life is getting in the way-

Gotta be with the fact that I'm mid forties, maybe working to crisp burnt failure 3 days a week is ok

I guess the jist of it is we all have to find the right fit of training- no one size fits all- and even then it may work but not for too long.

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I agree most of these place have turned into juice bars instead of what really drive growth. Nutrition drive the body.

Good post! I got in the rut of doing the same old thing as far as training . Been hitin ironaddict up for a few pointers and it's helped one hell of a lot!
As well as tryin a few Ryan Kennelly pointers.


That and being faithful to nutrition has brought me my best gains lately.
Funny thing is doing those two things of course has brought me much better gains than hammering a whole bunch of aas on a cycle. NO more than 600 mg of test wk and 30mg d-bol day/hgh 4iu day gave me 10 solid pounds in 12 weeks. (which is extremely mild to what I normaly run.

Yea I've noticed alot the younger guys have the mentality of ("If I add this steroid or peptide or take more next time I'll get much bigger")

Excellent post! I agree I dont post alot of specifics rather than just read through for info or reply if its something I have dealt with or have opinion on.I really have been slacking on training other than circuit training and working up a sweat on the mat.Been doing really well on diet though minus a cheat day.But still trying cut some weight before I start bulking so staying under 2,200 cal and 80/10/10. So much fish im going crazy because its cheap and im broke hope i dont get mercury poisoning lol

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Swallow BLOOD not PRIDE....

I'm Innocent this time lol. Anyhow, my vision is blurry so thank god I know where the keys are on the computer. I was just reading an article in Flex Magazine that says the only way to build muscle mass (pecs) that is is strictly free weights 8-12 reps. Arnold won in 2006 for the best pecs ever and he relied on only barbell presses dumbell presses, DB flies, and dips. Is that considered a small contribution. I have been back in the gym now for almost 3 weeks and I am more syked then I have ever been before. I dont have great genetics but IMO I dont think Genetics matter when it comes to this lifestyle. I have said this a number of times in my other posts. My mother is 4'11" 95 lbs and my father is 5'6" 120 and has never been over 140. So you see the frame is small. I will tell you I have surpassed everyone in my entire family. brothers,uncles,cousins, and grandfathers this past sumer before work picked up. I am only 5'7" myself and had a goal of hitting 200 lbs. Ha what a joke. I want to hit 250 now. Only because I came very close to my goal this sumer before work swamped me into exhaustion daily. Anyhow, AJ, I need some HCG advice for my girls HCG diet. Look at my thread, Thanks Bro

Yup, changing it up is necessary. I'm learning my body, its particular ways, responses-

Another day in the journey.

Hey, Awakened, yell it with me one time:

FUCK GENETICS!

I didn't win the genetic lottery, LOL- Brains I'm sayin, not brawn, is my strong point

I'm with ya bro. FUCK GENETICS. Isnt that Aj's board lol. Awesome deal. Eat train inject sleep and grow. LOL.