Review on PM please

[ShortMonster]

I got this PM from some random guy on bb.com about my cycle, just wondering what you guys think of what he said.

Hi,

I only hear good things about post-2004 batchs of ICN Galenika.

All ug get their raw powders/chemicals from china..that is enough to scare the crap out of an individual..or at least it does to me. You never truly know what your getting in them. Many can contain cancer particles, lead, and other wonderful poisoning..
There was even an article called poison in a package that had a newspaper order products online and purchased eurochem, british dragon and a few other ug and when tested, the chemicals in them had some pretty nasty deadly stuff and some were even mislabeled with the exception of british dragon(which is underdosed all the time by 50%)

Also, ShortMonster I'm not sure why the rule od thumb now is to use 500mg of test for a first cycle for 12 weeks.. It won't be quality gains especially at that dosage. You only need about 250mg(assuming its dosed properly) of test every 5-7 days for 8 weeks and will easily put on 20-25 plus pounds and since you probably haven't reached your genetic limit even a lot more. Anymore test is just basically a waste and shouldn't be necessary. Also, the longer the cycle, the harder the recovery, so get in and get out as quickly as possible to maintain those gains.

I'm also starting to think your gear is fake and seriously contaminated because even though you don't feel test enanthate until the 3-4 week, it actually will begin working immediately and should feel a good strength and water weight along with it within the first week, just not as strong as say dianabol...What ug did you use?


I know guys who used only 20 dbols a day with 200mg of deca and gained 35 pounds in 8 weeks and they were already squating 400 pounds for over 10 reps for 3-sets before their first cycle and one was your height too. So you don't need much to grow as long as you work hard and eat a lot(I mean A LOT). Just to make a note, they were using top pharm brands and I believe one guy even was using upjohn which wasn't hard to get a hold of back in his day. So quality might add to that.

Anyways have fun and be safe!

Im not sure if what he is saying about the UG labs are true, I was reading that UG labs can be as good at pharamcy grade gear, you just have to find the right one.. I dont get it, is my shit, or is it just my body reacting? He also said something about a deca and dbol cycle, but what about test? Isnt it always supposed to be used as a base to get everything in your body going?

Thanks

[Kartel]

Bro that is why you need to do your homework.

Look around for peoples ratings and feedback on suppliers.

I have been using UG for as long as I can remember and never had any probs.

This is a good question for you to ask IMO it shows you are taking this shit seriously.

Unlike many people I see in this game.

This isn't childs play this is serious shit.


OK I am going to get off my soapbox now :lol2:

Kartel

[Admin]

lol, of course the raw materials come from china... THATS WHERE THERE FUCKIN MADE... lmao

just ignore it bro.. your on the right track...

X

[ShortMonster]

Just wanted to make sure, thanks guys. Im still confused, everytime I use an UG lab I get very bad swelling, ive used human grade twice and it been fine, no swelling a little pain. Maybe I just got bad batches? Sorry if this shit gets frusterating for some of you, I try my best to learn as much as I can, not everythings easy.
Thanks

[gearbox]

Originally Posted by ShortMonster

I got this PM from some random guy on bb.com about my cycle, just wondering what you guys think of what he said.



Im not sure if what he is saying about the UG labs are true, I was reading that UG labs can be as good at pharamcy grade gear, you just have to find the right one.. I dont get it, is my shit, or is it just my body reacting? He also said something about a deca and dbol cycle, but what about test? Isnt it always supposed to be used as a base to get everything in your body going?

Thanks

Rule of thumb bro, Test on every cycle. The most common bulker is a simple Test/Deca/D-bol cycle. It wouldnt be if there wasnt test in it. lol
Gearbox

[cole617]

Any good ugl will get their powder randomly tested for purity and impurities. Once a UGL establishes a working relationship with a good raw supplier- they should stick with them, no need to shop around once you had what you need.
I know some guys who run 300mgs of test as a first cycle, but 250 is kinda low. 200mg/ew is a HRT (replacement dose) so keep that in mind. My first cycle was 500mg/ew and I am glad I didn't go any lower. And as for the guys gaining 40 pounds on 20mg of dbol and 300mg/ew of deca.....
Chances are they didn't maximize their natty potantial before jumping "on"; If they had their gains wouldve been much smaller, but probably more quality as well. Guys that go on too soon either lost almost everything after coming off (and get super bed-ridden depressed) or they never come off because they are terrified of "shrinkning"
I trained seriously for 4 years with nothing but protein,then another 3 years with supps before jumping on. I was a trainer and nutritionist since 2003 as well. I also read my ass off-on the boards- and became well-educated before I started.

Definetly smart enough not to run that type of craziness! (dbol and deca) Test will be a base in all my cycles and should def be mandatory when tren and deca are involved...THat mustve been crazy to come off of!
I do think that everybody is different and some people can run dbol all through a cycle at a low dose (20mgs)-there is an ongoing thread @ MAS about this. Even though everyone is different running any cycle without test, just isn't too bright in my book-especially deca and tren.
Although it probably can be done without issues with dbol,EQ and maybe Var...I wouldn't do it. If I am running one thing, TEST it'll be,everytime. And I do that often. Even after many cycles, I never run more than 3 things. For my goals amd for anyone who's not competing, I just don't think it makes sense.

[ajdos]

So whats he trying to sell?? His own powders...or some kinda personal training- I had a guy approach me about helping me with all sorts of shit over there- told him nicely to fuck off and get lost.
If I dont ask I dont want.

[Thunder]

Bring us up to date on your cycle.

We then can give you some thoughts? You using eo based products? How much ba does you ugl use etc.

[marx]

Originally Posted by ajdos

So whats he trying to sell?? His own powders...or some kinda personal training- I had a guy approach me about helping me with all sorts of shit over there- told him nicely to fuck off and get lost.
If I dont ask I dont want.

Can't remember the POS that had a site running down other folks ug gear but reviewed one gear as good- it was his own. Got busted last year, prolly even a post here about it.

Random pm's? I hardly got time for pms from folks I know and like.

Hope you're training and gaining brother shortmonster!

[Awakened615]

China makes everything in the world bro. Pesonally I wouldnt even respond to him. Who the fuck would take 29 dbol aday and use deca without test. Ask him how his buddy's dick was when he was suckin it. ask him if it was soft or hard. LOL. Dont pay that shit anymind and dont listen to the retards at bb.com