Tren maybe?

[JPME]

How do you guys feel about it? I've only ran test and dbol. I am kinda worried about it since I hear all about the rage with it. Is it that freakin bad r what. How are the gains compared to test?

[Madmaniac13]

Tren gains are very different. I have used Tren quite a few times with varying results. I definitely get stronger, It's the first thing you'll notice. But, your cardio will suffer. Anaerobic exercises seems easy and explosive movements, etc. But I'll be damned if I can run a few miles. I like Tren a lot, and if you can handle the sides, it makes for a great cycle. If your gonna try it, run Tren Ace and run a smaller dosage to start. Run it with your Test, and maybe start out at 200-300 mgs ew.

[Freebirdbulker]

Im getting ready to go my first inject of tren ace

[Madmaniac13]

Have fun!!! What else are you running it with.

[Freebirdbulker]

Originally Posted by Madmaniac13

Have fun!!! What else are you running it with.

prop and clen. maybe either winny or var

[Madmaniac13]

If you can afford it, go with Var. Although, if you start developing Tren Gyno, Winny can take care of that a lot of times. The one time I've had problems with Tren (was running Tren E at a very high dosage) I got some prolactin probs (although very slight). Anyway, long story short, I was about 4 weeks until the end of the cycle, so I threw in Winny, and it actually cleared up the Tren problem. I did it on suggestion form a good bro of mine and it worked. I've since seen a few others suggesting this same thing.

[JPME]

Originally Posted by Madmaniac13

If you can afford it, go with Var. Although, if you start developing Tren Gyno, Winny can take care of that a lot of times. The one time I've had problems with Tren (was running Tren E at a very high dosage) I got some prolactin probs (although very slight). Anyway, long story short, I was about 4 weeks until the end of the cycle, so I threw in Winny, and it actually cleared up the Tren problem. I did it on suggestion form a good bro of mine and it worked. I've since seen a few others suggesting this same thing.

Wait, winny cleared up the prolactin problem????

[Madmaniac13]

Crazy huh? Now like I said it was very slight to begin with, so it could have just been Coincidence, but I've now heard this a few other places. Let me see if I can find you some research on it.

[Madmaniac13]

This is a quote from FitterX at SteroidMass

"The specificity of Winny however, lies in how it counteracts estrogenic side-effects such as gyno and excess water retention. First of all it's a 5-alpha reduced substrate. 5-alpha reduction breaks the double bond between positions 4 and 5, which is required for conversion to estrogen via aromatase, the primary enzyme for the manufacture of estrogen in males. Because some of these compounds nonetheless show some affinity for aromatase they may have some use in blocking estrogen from other steroids they are stacked with. Wether or not Winny acts in this way is not entirely sure. What has been a popular point of discussion with stanozolol is its suggested anti-progestagenic effects. The theory goes that Winny can bind and compete for a position at the progesterone receptor much like Clomid of Nolvadex would at the estrogen receptor, thereby inhibiting progestagenic effects. Now, progesterone can aggravate estrogenic side-effects by agonizing estrogen and it does play a role in gyno."

[JPME]

That is crazy