Clomid

Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex)

This drug is a potent nonsteroidal anti-estrogen. It is intended for use in estrogen dependent tumors, i.e. breast cancer. Steroid users take Nolvadex to prevent the effects of estrogen in the body. This estrogen is most often the result of aromatizing affect of steroids. It can aid in preventing edema, gynecomastia, and female pattern fat distribution, all of which might occur when a man’s estrogen levels are too high. Also these affects can occur when androgen levels are too low, making estrogen the predominant hormone. This can occur when endogenous androgens have been suppressed by the prolonged use of exogenous steroids in combination with cutting of these exogenous sources. Nolvadex works by competitively binding to target estrogen sites like the breast.


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Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid)

This drug is not a steroid; it is a synthetic estrogen used as a fertility drug. In men it can work as both an anti-estrogen, and a gonadotropic stimulant. Male steroid users find that it can work quite well to prevent gynecomastia while taking steroids that aromatise. It also is used to bring the body's natural testosterone levels back up to normal after a steroid cycle. The clomid acts directly on the pituitary gland to stimulate more gonadotropins. Women have used this drug to reduce the amount of estrogen in their systems, usually to harden up before a show. But in some cases women suffer estrogen deficiencies that can cause a number of side effects. No adverse reactions have been seen in males who used this drug. It can be quite effective, but is not favoured over HCG or Nolvadex in these areas. A dosage of 50 milligram per day for short cycles is most often seen.



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Thank you Kartel, I appreciate that

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it was to my understanding that 20 mg Nolva stimulates test production the same as what 150mg Clomid does. . I'll re-check my source.

Is this correct to anyone elses opinion?

Oh yeh hows it going SM? lol great site you got me on.

So in Theory Nolva's the opt choice.

I think it was they are very similar, but Nolva is technically stronger cause you need a lesser dose, but Clomid may stimulate T production better (?)

They work synergystically, I know this much.

However, clomid has some issues with side effects, so Toremifine is preferred.

Makes sense for them to work together as SERMS with the T stimulation also.

Im sure i read that. 20mg Nolva stimulates the same T as what 150mg Clomid would.

So less Nolva is needed but as they work synergistically this alos makes sense with the stimulation of LH.

Either way i think Nolva seems to be a must PCT with or without Clomid, Agreed?

O/T My nect PCT iw ill be doing Aromasin 20-25mg p/d and nolva 40/20,40/20,20,20.

I see that many people seem to get bad sides with Clomid i personally have had great results at doses as high as 100mg.

My first time using Clomid i started it on th Monday 3 days after last test enanth and decca shot and i founf this to be great, energy, strenghth all round well being went through the roof.
On my Clomid PCT, I squatted 140kg 2 reps at a body weight of 161 lb. 2wice in an 8 week training period. Went for the the 3rd time on week 8 but FAILDED on the first rep, got to the just past 90% and had to balance the bar and drop to my knees. Had my bro behind me but he paniked as he's a newbie trainer, lol. thank god for saftey bars, only thing was they were to low as they get in my way, so had to kneel and roll the bar, lol. came away without even an ache in my body. Thank my spirits for that one.

Clomid is a nasty drug; I will repost this is every thread if I have to. It stimulates the testes no better than nolva & has HORRIBLE depression & anxiety sides for MOST of the bros who use it & also vision issues. It also tends to be pretty hard on the liver. Nolva isn't liver-friendly, but better than cloimd.

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Yes I believe 20mgs of nolva is equivalent to 150mgs of clomid. It is my understanding that nolva doesnt do anything for teste stimulation whereas clomid does, but I am also with the understanding that clomid doesnt do much at all for knocking down estrogen. That is why people run them in conjunction with each other. I personally just run nolva for my PCT because clomid makes me moody and puts me in a depressed state, like I could cry at any given moment.


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